Thanks for your email and the useful suggestions it contains. Although I had thought our proposal was already complete, we will have another look at it in the light of your comments and others we have received, keeping in mind also that SHELX is the mostly widely used program.
I can appreciate from first hand experience that one's interests change with the years and what looked like an exciting challenge at one stage in life becomes a burden in another. However, SHELX is so widely used that I cannot imagine that someone will not step in to keep it up to date. I am not too worried if our CIF restraint items are not incorporated right away; the fact that they exist will mean that they are available when someone wants to use them.
As you point out there are still challenges out there and I wish you well with them. I am writing a review for Chemical Reviews and have had fun rereading your interesting paper on identifying metal atoms in protein structures.
Thanks again for your comments.
George M. Sheldrick wrote:
Dear David, The proposed list looks very sensible to me and Ilia has done an excellent job of sorting it out. I like the idea of using an esd of zero to distinguish constraints from restraints. I may be mistaken, but as far as I can see, the probably most commonly applied constraint in SHELXL (and probably other programs too) is still not covered. I refer to the case where there are disordered solvent molecules or side-chains, where one GROUP of atoms (e.g. a solvent molecule) have the same refinable occupancy p and the atoms in the alternative groupall have occupancies 1-p. This is a powerful constraint because only one extra parameter p can describe the occupancies of a large number of atoms. Maybe there is a way of using 'restraint 10' for this but it is not clear to me, and such a common case should be covered explicitely. Without a concept that maps onto the SHELX 'free variables' it will never be possible to produce a CIF file that enables a refinement to be repeated. In my personal opinion this is the primary reason for wanting to encode the restraints and constraints in CIF, without this it is a rather academic exercise. I am getting old and senile and in addition to plenty of teaching and administration have a long list of more exciting things to program - primarily in macromolecular crystallography - almost certainly more than I will ever manage to achieve - so I have no plans to adapt SHELXL to produce these CIF items, even if as seems likely I release further updates of this program. I have not forgotten what a torture it was to create and read CIFs before proper tools were available, but it probably made the difference in getting CIF generally accepted by small molecule crystallographers. Maybe someone else will have time to produce software that reads a SHELXL .res file and writes the restraints and constraints to a CIF file. Best wishes, George Prof. George M. Sheldrick FRS Dept. Structural Chemistry, University of Goettingen, Tammannstr. 4, D37077 Goettingen, Germany Tel. +49-551-39-3021 or -3068 Fax. +49-551-39-2582 On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, David Brown wrote:Dear Colleagues, Ilia Guzei and I have put together the attached document describing a way in which constraints and restraints applied during a structure refinement could be recorded in a CIF. There has been some demand for such an addition to the core dictionary. I would appreciate it if you could look over the attanched document and let me have any comments before Jan 20. The proposal is in the form of CIF examples as this should be easier to read and understand than reading dictionary code. We will construct the dictionary code after we have your comments. You will have a chance to check the code before the dictionary is submitted for final COMCIFS approval. PLEASE MAY I HAVE YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE 20 JANUARY 2008. Let me know if you need an extension. I look forward to hearing from you. David_______________________________________________ coreDMG mailing list coreDMG@iucr.org http://scripts.iucr.org/mailman/listinfo/coredmg
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